Pat Robertson has his interpretation of I-35, while Jesus' General has his own.
I promise that if Mr. James Stabile has "turned straight" for good that I'll start going back to church.
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"I am a fan of intellectual discussion for sure, but at some point I have to leave the white walls of a classroom, drop my pen onto the paper and live life."And you don't have to stop being logical/analytical/critically thinking as you do so. If you can justify acting morally using nothing but some pretty safe assumptions and solid logical relations, then you're fine. If not, then maybe you ought to abandon whatever aspect of morality you can't justify (I think of lots of religion-related "moral oughts" -- like sex before marriage, etc.).
For me, I don't see evolution, on a grand or individual scale, as sufficient enough for our lives as human beings.That's an intriguing comment that I may be tempted to agree with, given certain constraints on the interpretation of that claim. If you mean "evolution as an explanation of the origin of the species homo sapiens," then I would disagree, of course. But given that so many other things are necessary to understand ourselves than "just" how we evolved from other apes, I would agree that evolution isn't "sufficient" in the sense that it leaves so much else out of the picture of what/who we are, where we've been and where we're heading.
"'We should let the success of the religious formula guide us,' Dr. Porco said. 'Let’s teach our children from a very young age about the story of the universe and its incredible richness and beauty. It is already so much more glorious and awesome — and even comforting — than anything offered by any scripture or God concept I know.'"You said:
I have met some men (George Bowes, Professor of Botany at UF for example) and have also listened to the director of the Human Genome Project who look at science on all levels as one of many means to show us more of who God is, actually explaining how much "life" is in science.This last part is quite an ambiguous statement (explaining how much "life" is in science). If you look at evolution on the scale of physics and biochemistry, then I'm afraid that "life" itself is rather difficult to define. See, for instance, this article on that topic. Here's a relevant excerpt from that piece:
Carol Cleland first began to mull the definition of life in the late 1990s. She had spent much of her career as a philosopher pondering fundamental, metaphysical matters such as cause and effect. But in 1996, when NASA scientists found what looked like microbe fossils inside a meteorite from Mars, Cleland was invited to speak on a panel about the mystery.Now, if you want to try to talk about how God = the natural laws of the universe, or some such thing, or is revealed through them, then I suppose we could have a good discussion on the implications of uniformity and what quantum theory does to that notion. The problem is that theists often only look at these laws and claim something akin to, "laws require a lawgiver." They often don't analyze the metaphysical issues at play: that a universe could not exist in the first place without certain properties; that these properties require relationships between space and matter; that these are the basis of our "laws"...
Looking into the matter, Cleland concluded that a lot of the controversy came out of confusion. Critics were treating the NASA report as if it were experimental science, with a hypothesis that could be tested with experiments. But it's impossible to do experimental science on a single 4-billion-year old rock. Instead, the NASA scientists were doing historical science, which Cleland argued was as legitimate a science as experimental science.
Cleland's talk resulted in an invitation to join the NASA Astrobiology Institute. There, as she learned how scientists at the Institute thought about the search for extraterrestrial life, something set off Cleland's philosophical radar. "Everybody was working with a definition of life," she says. Cleland began to feel that the concept of attempting to define life was deeply flawed, and she made her concerns public at a meeting called "The Nature of Life" hosted by the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 2001. Speaking to an audience of scientists, she said the search for a definition of life was beyond problematic, and they should simply stop looking for one. The quest could either be impossible or scientifically trivial. End of story.
"There was an explosion," says Cleland. "Everyone was yelling at me. It was really amazing. Everyone had their pet definitions and wanted to air them. And here I told them the whole definition project was worthless."
Not everyone in the audience was yelling, though. "What she said made a lot of sense to me," says Christopher Chyba, a professor of astronomy at Princeton University.
The strongest I believe is found in marriage. Be honest with me since you are married and I am not--is there something deeper and more profound in marriage that just physical, biological responses?I always try to be honest, and in doing so, I must point out that we've waded out here into two areas that are very difficult to talk about "scientifically": 1) qualia, 2) the fact-value distinction.
Also, I am not saying one must get rid of logic and reason, either.But all you offer here is a fallacy of "argument from ignorance": you think that if science cannot explain qualia, or the experiences of bonding in marriage, that you have, by default, an argument that validates your own presumed explanation of those things (that a God exists, that a soul exists, &c.). Unfortunately, your position of claiming that science is incapable of explanation is not the same as offering one; religion offers no evidence or explanation for these things at all. "It's spiritual," is not an explanation, but an avoidance of explanation -- you offer no mechanisms to explain conscious experience, no reason to choose dualism as a superior option. In fact, if our physical brains are not the sole reason for our consciousness and qualia, then we have a new can of worms that is opened by questions about how physical things can so easily change our states of mind and ability to remember and experience things; about why your own conscious experience only occurs from inside the perspective of your own body, &c., but those arguments are for another time...
...I will almost always argue from the perspective of "relationship."But your "relationship" is with an invisible purported creator of the entire universe, of 50,000 billion billion stars, with whom many other people also claim a quite different sort of relationship & with whom you have only one-way conversations & from whom a claimed bunch of "love letters" that date back thousands of years. To top it off, you have to account for things like the problem of evil. And so your "relationship" is not a terribly "living" one, irrespective of the rhetoric used to make it such. It is insolubly similar to the other Abrahamic religions (among others) in this way. Christianity is a pagan modification of Judaism that *claims* a new revelation and relationship with the God of the Jews, not an *actual* relationship.
“Nearly two-thirds of Americans do not trust press coverage of the 2008 presidential campaign, according to a new Harvard University survey, which also revealed four out of five people believe coverage focuses too much on the trivial — and more than 60% believe coverage is politically biased.”You don't say?! You mean, stories on $400 haircuts aren't substantive coverage of issues?
...here's someone defending his mandates for health care coverage...and someone criticizing them....on Friday, Krugman went after Barack pretty hard.
While past research has linked early sexual activity to health problems, a new study suggests that waiting too long to start having sex carries risks of its own.Who wants to bet that this study will be conveniently ignored by the RR? Keep in mind that this is the same crew who buried the government report showing the failure of their "wait until marriage" programs. As I said a few months ago, it isn't about the facts, but about religious control of people's sexual freedom:
Those who lose their virginity at a later age -- around 21 to 23 years of age -- tend to be more likely to experience sexual dysfunction problems later, say researchers at Columbia University and the New York State Psychiatric Institute's HIV Center for Clinical and Behavioral Studies.
The study will appear in the January 2008 issue of the American Journal of Public Health.
Men who lose their virginity in their 20s, in particular, seemed to be more likely to experience sexual problems that include difficulty becoming sexually aroused and reaching orgasm.
Anti-choicers would do well to read up on the facts, and a new WHO study shows that abortion rates are highest in countries where it is illegal, and lowest in countries which have comprehensive sex ed programs and abundant contraception choices. Contrary to all the spin and stupidity, although the US is much more religious than European countries, we have higher rates of teen pregnancy, STDs and abortions than them. Why? Because the religiosity of our country blinds people to the reality that curtailing these things is only accomplished through sex ed for teens and widely-available contraceptive choices. In other words, if they really care about "saving" fetuses, they should be pushing contraception. Instead, they push failed "abstinence-only" policies that lead to more teen pregnancies and STDs. These people don't care about other people, just about controlling them.In addition to that:
Faith-based programs are nothing but a sham to buy the votes of religious-right knuckle-draggers. These programs have no evidence to demonstrate their veracity, and in some cases, evidence to the contrary (i.e., "abstinence-only education" -- "According to a study released in March at the National STD Prevention Conference, 88 percent of 12,000 teenagers who took an abstinence pledge reported having sexual intercourse before they married. Although they delayed intercourse for up to 18 months, when they became sexually active, those who signed pledges were less likely to use condoms and less likely to seek medical help for STD infections than their peers.").On the same topic -- 237 reasons why we "do it".
And three more about evolution and complexity: